Loki didnt find Keller torturing Alex. The doomsday preparation stuff does come back, kind of, with the whistle? Thats a really good question. Brilliant article, enjoyed every word of it. History. Keller needs someone to find him and pull him out of that pit, but he also needs that whistle thats only down there because his daughter was down there because she got kidnapped looking for it, though he gave it to her for her rescue so many months or years ago. It is an experience that invites us to peel off the layers and try to make meaning from its moving images. Great Read thanks for the detailed and thorough breakdown. And I read some of it after watching the film a little. Theres a second Alex in Prisoners. Cant wait to show this movie (and analysis) to my wife! | I got the dvd from my local library by chance and watched it and before I did I checked, it got 8.1 score. What will it do to their friendship? She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to . But the only performance I really love is Jakes. Great minds, Jasper. And how could he know where the girls lived in the first place? The kidnapping stunted both young men. I think, for him, hes just been unable to escape the trauma. Child abuseDruggingKidnappingMurderTorture A small foreshadowing detail I noticed is when Alex signs his name to be released from the police, its revealed that his middle name is Winterman which is a reference to a book by the same name by Alex Walters about a serial killer that targets children. But Loki soon arrives at the scene and catches Holly before she can kill Anna. Really insightful. Official Sites If the dogs came by at all. Chris, you have written a very good essay, and most of your explanations are sound and thoughtful. Compare that to Bob. Sigyn, his spouse, sat with him holding a basin beneath the dripping venom, yet when the basin became full, she carried the poison away; and during this time the poison dripped on to Loki, causing him to writhe with such violence that all of the earth shook from the force, resulting in what are now known as earthquakes. (Wikipedia). And it seems he gets clothes to dress the mannequins. The simplest answer is just Theyre in shock and that makes memory difficult. Because its actually something the girls had, how else would it get there? To 247 Sports in 2016, Jones said, "I speak Chinese. Especially in a building that has so many issues. That was a great analysis. Holly Jones Hes thematically relevant to Prisoners but not crucial to what happens and how it happens. And the hidden basement with the hole in the ground. Joel Cox, the editor, felt very strongly about it. Holly Jones is the main antagonist of the 2013 thriller film Prisoners . Theyre always there, at least in the background. I checked internet, your analysis is really cool and comprehensive. Das Drehbuch schrieb Aaron Guzikowski. Because of that, theyve tortured other families to cause a similar crisis of faith and turn more people against God. It would add some nuance to Dovers backstory. I never caught what was said in the newspaper. Alex reunited with parents??? Except there was no Alex. I am very much amazed with the way you see things about the movie and the way you tell them.Just wanted to say thank you. While Alex is a victim, he can be a dick. Keller had been at the house. They are from USC, UCLA, Columbia, Yale, and Chapman University. The rest are just kind ofdoing their part? Thats really interesting. It seems accusatory at first mostly because its confusing. These are all clues Loki missed or were not brought up to him. But theres a common association with a snake eating its own tail, also known as the Ouroboros. Thats usually associated with the idea of the endless loop. My biggest take was that the ending sentiment wasnt believable. We do that by identifying in-roads, understanding their implications, then arriving at a conclusion. My question is who is the person that Joy sees in her flashback? She is also the VP of Wellness Development for . How do you create a plot with supposed depth and cleverness and use so many ridiculous elements? So its unlikely she suddenly appeared and seized the girls. He needs someone like Loki to be there at the right place and time! The abusers can only shake their fist at God so long as they assume that all the parents they abduct the children from will have the same re-action to their loss as they did. How could the FBI agent wrote a book about the murderer and even have a maze picture in it if: a. no children was ever found (alive or not); b. the murderer was never found. Many times throughout the film, theres an emphasis on forests and trees. . Holly was once a genuinely loving and caring woman. Mazes end up being a bigger deal than youd probably expect. I almost enjoyed this analysis more than the movie. The exact opposite of what you would expect him to do based on what you know about his religion. What didnt make sense to me was that the parents didnt seem to remember what the girls were wearing at the time of the abduction. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. Holly had to tell him to write his full name. Anyway just brilliant write up. Uploaded: I actually know the answer to this! I loved the movie and really appreciate you breaking it down like that. Compare that to Luke, when Luke finally becomes a Jedi, wearing a white outfit (and having more hopeful and exciting music). Motifs are repeating elements in a movie, which can be anything, from physical objects, to dialogue, to shots, to music, to concepts. The whole piece around the priest and Hollys husband seems a little loose to me. Or in the movie Black Swan, a theme is duality, so we often see the main character, Nina, reflected in mirrors or windows. Hello! That line would be an in-road that provides the necessary context to understanding why the book has such a devastating impact on her. Federal Inmates. Origin Police lay murder charge in Holly Jones case. At first, we might think it applies to the abduction of Joy and Anna. And Loki in his own inclinations and deductions. And was the name given by the Romans to Dover, England, according to DoverHistorian.com. Thats cool, thats interesting. Powers / Skills Alex might have just been referring to Hollys husband who did go missing and who Holly and Alex were both wondering if hed ever come back. It could provide some backstory about Keller but theres nothing concrete enough (at least as far as Im aware) that you could really point to. They move the car. We know this for a few reasons. Snakes also as in snakes and ladders. Alias This house is the same as the one alex was parked at the day of the girls abduction. High intelligenceGunmanship Some people will choose the hopeful outlook that being away from Holly means he has a chance at a decent future. Before we talk about mazes, lets talk about in-roads. That would have cinched the mystery early on. That unmerited favor that we cannot predict or control. Or the DA who brought the charges would lose their next election lol. This explanation also doesnt hold together. I loved a lot of the explanations here, hit the nail on the head. Holly also told Keller that Alex was just taking the girls for a drive in the RV, so maybe they werent frightened until they got to Hollys house and she decided to keep them. Are they divine or circumstantial? That says a lot about his mental state, the degree of Stockholm Syndrome hes experiencing. The man who pleaded guilty to murdering 10-year-old Holly Jones at a Toronto court Thursday morning fulfilled his "dark secret" when he abducted, sexually assaulted, and dismembered her shortly. But again, wow! It was probably a promotional piece to go with the book because it doesnt look homemade. As well as confusion about who they really whereid also venture to guess that abuse was also a big part of the experience as you also mentionedso a confused prison of the mind. The priest trapping Mr. Jones in the basement to die. Mark just pointed that out in another comment! I also appreciate how you still respond to comments after a year. Yell from a distance to freeze: So you can say you said it. in public-policy analysis, UNC-Chapel Hill; master's of divinity . Bobs almost completely externalized his pain. Thank you my good people and a wonderful site for films discussion. On the character names, I took Keller to be a variation of killer because he hunted, owned a handgun, and was prepared to use extreme violence to protect his family. Suspect Arrested in Holly Jones Murder. The pretentious stuff gets at the construction of the story. Detective Loki goes to see Alex's aunt, Holly Jones (Melissa Leo), who raised him with his uncle after his parents died when he was six. What happens next Holly eventually describes as, Making children disappear is the war we wage with God. In-roads. I think your quote from Villeneuve about the trees as silent witnesses supports this. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . Holly likely assumed that Joy had been able to provide enough information to reveal her location. But, like the title, things arent always so simple. And Loki literally arresting people with the intent of sending them to prison. Theres no prints. Thanks. I think this movie is getting a second life on Netflix, and I just watched it. And that ignited in her a hatred of God. Good people do bad things, bad people do good thingsThe wicked knowingly and methodically try to spread their wickedness to as many as they can. But after testing the film with the ending it has now, everyone decided that was definitely the way to go. My questions is- the only reason Loki is at the fathers house is because hes investigating level 3 sex offenders. My question is when Loki found Keller tortureing Alex, why wasnt he taken to the police station? At their first encounter, in the parking lot of the police station, Alex toys with Keller, much like he did the dog, by saying, They didnt cry until I left them. He knew what he was doing. The same way Holly and her husband lost their kid so started inflicting pain on others. I love the part where Keller sits next to Alex torture cell and cant finish his prayer at the sentence: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, he holds back the last part, breaking at as we. Company Credits We werent given any other reason for Dover Snrs death, were we? Lights: Buildings usually have power broken into sections. Weve talked a lot about prisons already, so this might be repetitious to you. Does no one in Hollywood understand these simple things or are they such standard props that we are supposed to accept them knowing full well how ludicrous they are? But then you look at the structure of Prisoners, how it tells its story, how it reveals information, theres an understanding that the maze stuff wasnt just to spice up the thrills (as some people have complained). And Loki was the catalyst in Taylor committing suicide. I also think it is highly unlikely that Taylor managed to break into both houses and steal the items without being noticed at all. director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins) Film Editing by Casting By Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. Hi. Also known as: infinity. But isnt it also highly unlikely that Taylor managed to buy clothes which looked exactly like the items worn by the girls? It would also explain why the surviving victims displayed lack of speech; they were so warped by their drug-induced experiences they were no longer capable of communicatingprisoners in their own minds. In that time he created a body of work that changed popular music forever and influenced almost every great rock and roll artist to follow him. Occupation The central story of Prisoners revolves around the investigation of two missing girls, Anna and Joy, led by Detective Loki. Physical imprisonment: Holly keeping the two girls (then Keller) captive. Enter the letters and numbers from the image: Please note -- this site only provides general search information. Its Hollys husband, and hes wearing the same maze necklace as the mysterious body from the basement. The question is will he put it all together and solve the puzzle? For example, he doesnt say a word when introduced to Joys mother and she hands him photographs of her daughter. Search Criteria: Last Name: First Name: The big issue every character has is with acceptance. It had happened in broad daylight, in the Junction Triangle neighborhood in west Toronto, and detectives would find out later there were witnesses. But the more you dig into Prisoners it eventually becomes clear as day that the entire movie is this layered exploration of various types of prisons: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Ephemeral, spiritual things that operate on a metaphysical level. It is the key that ties the entire movie together. Grace, Annas mother, goes from sad denial of reality to drugging herself into oblivion. Declaring it likely that the girls are dead, the parents and Detective Loki all but give-up when Bob commits suicide. He had no criminal record, not even a parking ticket to his name. But sometimes, by shear grace, all the good and bad complications of what people do and think come together to form a hope-filled outcome. When Lokis at the priests house, he sees the mark on the floor where the refrigerator gets moved in order to access the secret door to the hidden basement. A lot of hot-headed guys losing their minds and screwing things up in this movie. Does Loki represent a spirituality beyond Christianity? The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. So maybe in the end Loki does save Keller because Keller keeps blowing the whistle. The other maze to be found would be that; Holly drugs her victims with a concoction that may have LSD or similarthe fbi book refers to this and she does as well, when talking to and then forcing Keller to drink. There, Holly does what crazy-psycho-child-snatchers do. Holly's parents. Thus, we know how long he was there. And just basic everyday human psychology-wise, mazes are kind of magnetic, one of these archetypes that have been part of myths and legends and interest for centuries and throughout cultures. She was portrayed by Melissa Leo, who also played Sally in Oblivion . I read somewhere Lokis first name is David its on a screen or card thats flashed in one of the scenes. Chris, this was a fantastic analysis of a complex story, and dead on. He needs grace and so does Lokihe relies heavy on his ability to observe and pay attention to details. Why does a seasoned police officer with no unsolved cases stare at a suspect to the point of spooking him, or sit in a roadway blocking traffic until he draws attention himself? Does Loki discover Keller in the hole or not? And seems to have no one to talk to about what happened. Yeah, Regrading Alex, I guess theres still a lot thats up in the air. This technique is more common in artsy projects than it is mainstream ones. Hes reduced to a scared child who finds it impossible to provide the logic of language to the absurdity of the life hes been forced to live. (But is also comes from the old Scandinavian meaning a ravine, gap, gorge, or a crevasse between cliffs. The French, Celtics, and Gauls all had similar versions of the word (Douvres, Dubrs, and Dubris, respectively) and all meant water as well. We see many crosses. Funny enough, Dover Historian mentions in Turkey the word means to beat or hit a person. Keller Dover definitely did a lot of dovering in Prisoners.). There are SO many other examples of this in the film! Lokis neck is a badgeso along with your hypothesishis god is justice/prison. But also the idea of the maze itself and of trauma, this infinite thing. Blowing a whistle in order to be heard, and thus saved from dying in the hole, is the equivalent of being saved by the bell from being buried alive. What ending do we choose? Yet hes equally difficult to understand. While I was watching the film in board day-light, I crotched my teddy bear with me, something I dont normally do as its that scary! It put tape on my mouth. But in the moments before she speaks, we see Joys memory of escaping, the flashes of being in the house, on the ground, someone leaving the room, the book of mazes they had to complete, running away. Or Fight Club deals with the mind and the opening credits occur while the camera travels through the main characters brain and out a poor of their forehead. By leaving that choice in our hands, the film becomes a moment of reflection, of confrontation. Thats what Joys remembering. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. Ends up bringing them home. Doesnt know what happened to him. I think the movie is definitely one of the best of its decade. Keller is free to leave but Ralph remains behind. I think the film supports it by not having Bob Taylor or the girls talk either. The profound trauma capable of changing the intrinsic nature of a person, their beliefs, their language. This is Thesecret1070. Once a loving and religious woman, both Holly and her husband's minds soon took a twisted turn when their son died of cancer. How did the FBI agent know about the mazes?? They are thinking about him, his lost life, and the lives of all the kids (two right down the street) that he devastated. And the movie deals a lot with the circle of life, the dawning of a new age, new beginnings, etc. The best answer I can think of is its been long enough and theyre desperate enough for any lead that they dont question it. I shall watch it again. I just finished watching the movie and was looking for an explanation, and this is just amazing, thank you for your analysis and thanks for all the comments, what an incredible movie. Imitates kidnapping children. And theres a contrast to how their trauma expresses itself. No thats not what happened. In this film, no character will ever be the same. He responds by shooting her in the head, killing the kidnapper for good. I think Loki didnt necessarily have the time since he was more concerned about the girls. To play Holly Jones,Melissa Leowore a grey wig and a foam rubber posterior prepared by Costume DesignerRene Aprilin order to "ground" her character. I think if you re-watchPrisonersafter reading this, then the movie is going to feel way more obvious in what its doing and why. This is purposefully meta, as midway through the film the motif of the maze is introduced. All as a best imitation of his abductors. It is mentioned, in the scene discussing the FBI agents book in Taylors house, that Taylor was abducted as a child but escaped after three weeks. Remember that Keller had just shown up there too. Leo also requested the props assistants to avoid cleaning her glasses after each day's shooting. But the CSI experts would surely have noticed if the van had been cleaned very recently, and that small detail would have been suspicious as well. Alex/Barry's caretaker Faith in God, faith in the police, faith in yourself. Also in the hospital when Joy says you were there. I dont think its entirely unrealistic. I watched prisoners after its release and i was young so it felt just like another movie. Because Holly cant steal children easily on her own, fewer children go missing. Because thats exactly what these names are. How do we have faith when bad things happen? Dover in his belief Alex Jones knows where the girls are. How? I expect to be returning to this site again. I think we see 4-5 then the father. This item: Captives of Liberty: Prisoners of War and the Politics of Vengeance in the American Revolution (Early American Studies) by T. Cole Jones Hardcover $33.69 Running from Bondage: Enslaved Women and Their Remarkable Fight for Freedom in Revolutionary America by Karen Cook Bell Hardcover $15.80 Review We know hes still traumatized by what happened but not that hes necessarily still in contact with Holly or does Hollys bidding. But on the way back they saw the van and decided to play on it since their older siblings werent there to tell them no. She was murdered by Michael Briere who plead guilty to first degree murder and got life in prison with no parole for 25years. Before you trash this post, and think Im a nut case, please view the first 5 minuets of my video. Really happy to hear that! His profession being the same as that of Jesus, and the movie opening with Kellers devout prayer, also creates the false sense that Keller will be the good in the film. It is frustrating that we dont get some more closure though. He could be Hollys husband, thats true. He seemed very alive at the rescue, yelling for help. When you get to the end of a movie like Inception, theres no explanation about what happened. So Alex was originally Barry. The justification given by Keller Snr. Communication with everyday people would be like communicating with an alien. Cant remember. They dont explain it outright, but its inferred that Alexs real name had been Barry Coyler and that he had grown up in the house that the RV was parked in front of. I especially appreciate that you explained the connection of religion & faith-I never thought much of it and Im somewhat serious about my Catholic faith myself, well, until those fundamental issues arise that you have raised ofcourse! So you imagine theyd be wearing gloves when they went out again. But to stop him, the priest ties Hollys husband up and leaves him to die. They may walk away. Holly Jones ( Source : wordpress ) After walking a classmate home from school, Holly Jones was kidnapped in her neighborhood. So does. Hey hey! I wish they delved more into that aspect of him, but also thought that the brief mention left viewers trying to figure out its meaning. Keller doesnt get the answer he seeks from all the torture HE did, but by Joys miraculous escape and him making the connection that she saw him at some point. Alex suffered so hes kind of relishing in causing someone else to hurt. Hopefully youre thinking, Thats an in-road!. Alex succumbs to Kellers torture and mentions a maze, so Keller goes to Hollys house to see if she will reveal something about a maze. Look Up An Inmate Johnston County NC Jail. The screenwriter, Aaron Guzikowski, did an interview with Buzzfeed and just straight up said: Oddly enough, thats how it was in the script when it was bought. A god who complicates things for other gods. Alex says In the maze, and Bob simply draws it. Perhaps it was intended to reflect his personality, peaceable in normal situations, but with a killer instinct ready to take over when pushed by circumstances. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? If you consider the lessons a child would learn, being taken, taught to never speak up, an abandonment of all hope & good in the world. Technical Specs, See agents for this cast & crew on IMDbPro, director of photography (as Roger A. Deakins), key hairstylist (as Elizabeth 'Shawna' Robinson), make-up: Hugh Jackman (as Pamela Westmore), second second assistant director (as Michael E. Saunders), first assistant director (as Donald L. Sparks), construction medic (as Cindy Huggins R.N. Prisoners. But, yeah, seems to be one of those suspension of disbelief things that has become implicit to the whole artistic form. And staring the person down is kind of a legitimate tactic. While SCDC strives to ensure accuracy of this information, it makes no guarantees as to the reliability of the data. Alex is taken into custody, but is quickly released due to his IQ being the same as a ten year old. But if the kid WAS named Alex, I think Barry/Alex is saying that when he was a kid, the Joneses lured him to their house by asking if Barry wanted to play with their son. Thanks again! Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. At one point her husband confessed his crimes to a local priest, out of a narcissistic boldness of feeling unable to get caught. This causes him to go blind, and although he doesnt cause an earthquake like Loki in mythology, he almost crashes a few times as he speeds down the highway to save the little girl who is suffering from the poison. In-roads arent always necessary, as many artists will use more obvious devices. If he was, then he wouldnt have continuously lied to the police and Keller. Why didnt Alex confess to the police or Keller? Now if Nocturnal Animals didnt have flashbacks, if we only saw Adams read this book and get emotional but otherwise live her life normallythat wouldnt work. That kind of foreshadowing is done for a reason. The fact that our two most faithful characters end the movie together, each trusting in their faith, is pretty beautiful. Another similar piece of the puzzle which is teased to us In addition to this part of her routine was the large bottles of mysterious drink; addressed when keller is held at gunpoint and made to drink a third of the bottle. Duration: 10m 29s. He clearly remembers something about his life before the abduction, otherwise he wouldnt park at his old house. But her husband was more complicated. So hes doing what he should do and giving her a chance to surrender. Duct tape: I think were supposed to accept it lol. Holly offers Keller tea, which would probably be drugged (we later see she kept a jar of drugged liquid in the fridge). You start the movie in a place of ignorance but end with a sense of superiority in understanding the who, what, when, how, and why. Take revenge on God for killing her son by kidnapping other people's children (partially succeeded).Kill Loki and any other interfering witnesses (failed). Takes them both to work out the solution. But then he remembers he had been at Holly Joness house and puts 2 and 2 together. Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! Years of possible uncontrolled druggingwould lead to antisocial behavior. In the hospital, Joy says to Keller, You were there, which Keller realizes means Hollys house and that Holly wasnt an innocent old lady. (601) 932-2880. Other people feel nervous in the silence and start saying stuff just to fill it. One is thematic, the other iswellfor lack of a better word, pretentious. And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have .
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